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Achievement Doesn’t Matter

October 19, 2007 | Posts with Videos | 3 comments

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We don't care about results, we care about effort. Seriously.

Christine Carter, Ph.D: So my husband, Mike, overheard me tell Fiona that it didn't matter if she wasn't any good at softball, only that she practiced and made an effort. Later, he asked me, "Do we really want to invest the time and money schleping her to practice and games if softball isn't her thing?"

Kelly Corrigan: That's a notion that's been around forever, that everyone has "a thing" and parents should help their children find it. I remember feeling panicky as a kid because my brothers each had a thing and I didn't. Or rather, I had a thing, but it was vague and hard to label. Other people's "things" were simple: tennis, chess, drama. My thing was making things – collages, stationary, hot pot holders. So I'm with Mike. Why force it with Fiona if softball isn't her thing? Why not keep looking?tools-icon-fridge.gif

CC: Because that means it's only worth doing if you are very good at it. That means it's only fun when you succeed.

KC: Yeah but can we honestly say we don't want our kids to do things they're good at? And like I said last week, if it seems hard to get them to try new things now, when they're so small, imagine how hard it will be when they are in high school, when their achievements might make or break college admissions.

CC: The mindset research we discussed last week doesn't imply that growth-mindset kids will never again experience the sweet smell of success. It is a belief about what causes success: innate gifts or practice.tools-icon-tv.gif

KC: I hate to press the point but some kids are good at softball the first time they hold a bat. Some kids see visions of math equations.

CC: Well, here's the thing: the research clearly shows that growth-mindset leads to greater success than emphasizing results. More compelling than that, at least to me, is that kids enjoy their activities more if they are taught to focus on the process rather than the results. Listen to Jackie Joyner-Kerssee: "For me, the joy of athletics had never resided in winning…I derive just as much happiness from the process as from the results. I don't mind losing as long as I see improvement or I feel I've done as well as I possibly could. If I lose, I just go back to the track and work some more."

KC: Well isn't that tidy? Kids who choose challenge and improvement over an easy win learn more AND are happier.

CC: It's all in the research. And Suniya Luthar and Bronwyn Becker at Columbia have found that kids whose parents over-emphasize their achievements are more likely to have high levels of depression, anxiety, and substance abuse compared to other kids. It's easy to do. Look at what you hang up in your house. Listen to what you tell your parents about your children. I catch myself all the time.

KC: So jumping up and down about homeruns or hat tricks or straight As—all mistakes. So I guess it's no good to promise a pizza party for 100% on the science exam?

CC: I think a lot of families probably have a tradition of helping their kids set goals at the start of a school year. Carol Dweck—the woman behind most of the mindset research—reminds parents simply to remember that goals should be set around building skills and making an effort, not a specific outcome.

KC: What if they want the lead role or the varsity letter or the big A+?tools-icon-book.gif

CC: Then make a plan with them. Help them see a way to get there. Discuss strategies. Give them the coaching they need to improve. Maybe Fiona doesn't seem so good at softball because she isn't practicing enough, or she's got the wrong idea about how to make the bat connect with the ball. All we can do is help our kids with their approach—and send the message that we expect their full commitment and solid effort.

KC: And mistakes. We expect mistakes.

CC: Or just that we don't expect perfection. Dweck cautions that "speed and perfection are the enemy of difficult learning." When kids think we are happy when they do something quickly or perfectly, they start to think that they shouldn't take on anything challenging.

KC: Georgia's got a long list of things she can do quickly and perfectly. Do I really not praise her for a job well done?

CC: You really don't, or she won't want to move on from her list. Dweck recommends saying in a situation like that: "Whoops! I guess that was too easy. I apologize for wasting your time. Let's do something you can really learn from!"

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Calvin Coolidge said it best, “Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan “press on” has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.”  Don’t all parents read their kids the Little Engine Who Could?

Hibiscus | 11:39 am, November 4, 2007 | Link

 

When I was 12 year old, i did carricatures. I did a variety of them, right from my grandfather’s picture to landscapes, a lot of them. I really had a lot of fun doing them. I did not tell my parents about it. However, when my dad knew about it, he said it was good that I could do it so well. But he warned me not to disclose it to relatives. I would say I got negligible praise even for the most complicated sketches I did. As a result, by the time I was 20 years old, I almost lost interest in sketching and did not even pursue other related areas like painting, drawing or photography.
Now I am 28 years old, I want to pursue my passion on painting, sketching etc., I find less time and feel that I have to start over again from scratch. When I hold a pencil to sketch, i feel strange about it, I have no confidence that I can be good at it.
With this, I think kids need some amount of acknowledgement of their talents (inborn or acquired). Now, i feel that the thing that I had most fun doing and most interest in pursuing, never could get me to gain my parents appreciation. We should draw a line between undue appreciation and much needed encouragement.

Neelima K | 12:34 pm, January 20, 2008 | Link

 

I think the either-or mindset is bogus.  It’s both effort *and* results. 
For example, you can try and try and try as a salesperson, but results are what get the commission.  If you were raised to enjoy the activity and process of improvement — as I was — that sets you up to “improve toward success.”  As Einstein said, “the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.”  A one-sided emphasis on effort alone would seem to encourage this kind of insanity.
I think there is certainly too much emphasis on static achievement, especially in school, but sometimes, results just matter.  Sometimes, things just don’t work, no matter how hard you try.  You can’t be afraid to face your own failures.  Failure is not a dirty word… all this focusing on effort stuff feels like it’s trying to spare children the pain of failure.
If you tell someone, “All that counts is if you make the effort,” he’ll wonder why he won’t actually get stuff done, even though he’s trying really hard.
Seeing improvement is, in itself, a measure of achievement.  If you improve in a sport… if something feels easier to do, more fluid, more graceful, more powerful… the process of checking in with yourself as an athlete: “How did that make me feel?” is measurement of achievement.
I think where people go wrong is in setting static goals, and adopting a pass/fail attitude.  Mastery is a moving target made of both a process and a measurement of achievement.  You need both, and I think children need to be taught both.  I was, and it has worked for me.

Kat | 11:03 am, March 1, 2010 | Link

 
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